But let me ask you, when natural gas pipeline projects stall or get canceled, what are the real world consequences that consumers and businesses feel? I mean, that could be electricity prices, reliability, what have you.

I think it can be all of those things.

And I always want to be careful when we talk about permitting reform and the need for new infrastructure to make sure that people don't think I'm criticizing FERC.

I actually think FERC has done a phenomenal job in trying to get infrastructure projects approved and certificated.

The problem is not at FERC.

The problem is in the sort of the follow-on litigation and things that slow down the process of actually getting that pipe into the ground, which is why I think that the seven county case that came out of the Supreme Court a year or so ago was really important in clarifying the scope of NEPA.

Our current FERC chairman, Chairman Sweat, I think is doing a phenomenal job in trying to and making sure that seven county is implemented so that projects can be advanced.

So do you want to break down seven county a little bit, just for those who may not be familiar?

But let me ask you, when natural gas pipeline projects stall or get canceled, what are the real world consequences that consumers and businesses feel? I mean, that could be electricity prices, reliability, what have you.

I think it can be all of those things.

And I always want to be careful when we talk about permitting reform and the need for new infrastructure to make sure that people don't think I'm criticizing FERC.

I actually think FERC has done a phenomenal job in trying to get infrastructure projects approved and certificated.

The problem is not at FERC.

The problem is in the sort of the follow-on litigation and things that slow down the process of actually getting that pipe into the ground, which is why I think that the seven county case that came out of the Supreme Court a year or so ago was really important in clarifying the scope of NEPA.

Our current FERC chairman, Chairman Sweat, I think is doing a phenomenal job in trying to and making sure that seven county is implemented so that projects can be advanced.

So do you want to break down seven county a little bit, just for those who may not be familiar?