But now you work with companies that have like less than a thousand, more like hundreds, right? What made you want to make that move? And what's the biggest difference? I don't want to know all the differences, but what's the big difference?

It's really, I mean, it was a twist of fate.

So I went from Adobe, 40,000 people running enterprise security to Cisco during COVID running enterprise security there, 110,000 people.

Doing all the big problems, you know, the zero trustee stuff and supply chain or whatever, all those things.

And then all of a sudden I went from having a team of 300 people, 60 million a year budget to joining a startup running security and IT in their customer zero program.

They were a zero trust security vendor.

And I had a team of one, I think, with an outsourced bunch of people and a budget of about $5.99. And the biggest... realization when I was in that role, we got acquired and as far being acquired, then I started to realize that there's a lot of small companies that One bad thing can bring them down and there's a lot of FBI stats on this one.

So, yeah, I think that's fair.

crux of that? What's the difference in the way that you guys are doing

it? Yeah.

So, well, there's a couple of things.

One is we originally started to build a marketplace called 909 Select.

And a year ago, we built a thing for students trying to connect students with part employers for part time work.

And the interesting thing is part of building that out is we were applying zero trust principles.

So it's funny, you and I, you know, we've talked about zero trust for eons now.

What how do you see that?