Like, whether you got to know her in person or through your work, tell us and our listeners more about Barbara and what she and her work have meant to you.

I got to know Barbara because we were both on the faculty of an experimental radical college called the College at Old Westbury, with a mission of social justice, and a very multi, multiracial student body and teaching staff.

And, uh, we taught women's studies courses together, some of the first back in the '70s, and then we spent seven years writing three different books together.

The...

Perhaps the one I'll mention is called For Her Own Good: Two Centuries of the Expert's Advice to Women, which is about the impact of health and mental health professionals on creating stereotypes about women based on gender, class, and race, and helping to authorize those stereotypes to make them seem as though they were scientifically based and authoritative.

So Barbara and I were really more than friends and coworkers.

We were really [laughs] sisters.

I, I wanted to, like, ask y'all, like, w- why do you think it is still important for folks to read Nickel and Dimed, and Barbara's work in general, today? Like, what can her work still teach us now? Or what has it been trying to teach us for years that we still haven't learned, but really need to?