What do you think are some of the ways that people can find to literally pause so that difficulties in real life are more manageable for them?

Well, I would say ultimately you can go without drinking water for a long period of time.

You can go without eating for, you know, even months at a time.

But breathing is another story.

You cannot go for even a couple minutes without having another breath of air.

So I would say the breath would be where your focus should be in that sense.

Because ultimately, it's the central part of everything we do.

And then when you're talking or looking, reflecting back, on the progress that you've made you've got all these little bits of evidence that you've moved that you've changed that you've taken action and I'm just curious to know there was one thing that just thinking about all the clients that you've had yeah if there was one thing that you could say that your clients have taught you about yourself what would that thing be

Can you tell us about your journey from engineering to becoming a certified bowel feedback specialist?

Yes, yes, it was a very different journey.

So when I was growing up as a kid, I was bullied as a kid, okay, probably eight or nine years old.

So I was always hiding away.

I was a bookworm as well.

So my hiding place, my choice of hiding was the library.

So I would hide there for countless hours in different aisles of the library.

Yes.