uh unconsciously i would watch people how they dribble but i never thought about counting the dribbles coming down you know and now that you now that i think about it isaiah thomas had a pattern Magic had a pattern, and that's what made DJ such a great defender because all his steals would come in the fourth quarter.

Yeah, yeah.

He told me that my rookie year.

He said, listen, you want to be a great defender, on the ball defender, you play two things.

You play guesses and you play angles.

But you've got to understand patterns.

And he said, you've got to know how to count dribbles.

looked mad.