I'm wondering, did this come from having a father who was a coach? Was this part of his toolkit or is this something that's unique to you?

That part of it, that terminology is something that's unique, not unique.

It came from Jason Wells.

I don't know where he got it, but I've heard him say it over and over to where it's almost biblical for me, like scriptural.

I believe it because it's true.

I don't want to hold you accountable.

I don't want to hold you and say, hey, you got to do these things.

you tell me, can we just look at a recent experience in your own life where you were given some feedback that led to genuine change in you as a human or as a coach? I'd be very happy to hear about either of them.

What advice would you give to student athletes about taking care of their mental health and what resources do you encourage them to use?

I would say A, number one, awareness.

Recognizing how important mental health is.

And it's not a cliche.

It's not taboo.

It is serious business that we understand that there are going to be days where you wake up and you just don't feel it.

And I think recognizing that, but then also having some tools to help you get through those days.

you just mentioned you were 752 years old I can't remember the exact number so I wanted to ask you how how do you make sure you're adjusting with the times because I know like basketball as you know it from when you first became a coach to now has changed the players has changed so how do you make sure you're changing with the game