I would love it if you would take a few minutes and just give our listeners some thoughts about the twists and turns that have landed you into this role as president of NAIS, because I'm sure it's been quite the adventure.

Yeah, well, you know, education is not boring.

But even before that, little did I know, I went to a small independent school in Connecticut on Connecticut College campus.

I went to the Williams School.

And I didn't even know it was an independent school.

Independent schools...

They tend to be independently governed.

So talk to us a little bit about your observation of what does it take to get that alignment with the board so that you have a healthy and thriving relationship versus this more contentious or anxiety producing relationship that I think everybody agrees they don't want, they don't know how to get out of.