Wow

... tricycles for persons with disabilities.

And, but I think for, again, there was sort of this kind of movement in my life of, oh, I, I am called to the ministry, but it's a kind of a, a different kind of role than I had originally envisioned.

Um, later moved into kind of just straight up international development.

I did USAID consulting in DC for a number of years.

Um, and at a certain point, Efrain, felt like, I, I felt like, I had this feeling I'm climbing this ladder.

I think I'm doing it successfully.

Mm-hmm.