So if you could think back to what you consider your earliest experience or what got you into the paranormal.

Well, I feel like those are two different questions, right? Because, you know...

Like what got me into the paranormal versus what I experienced is different because I think, you know, what got me into the paranormal was my own curiosity and sort of just openness and receptivity to lean into something that I didn't necessarily understand or believe in, for that matter, at that time.

And that happened in my adult years.

In my youth, as you were mentioning, when we were younger, especially growing up Latina, it is something that everybody talks about, but it's not talked about.

Do you understand? It's like that.

Everybody knows about it, but we're not trying to call it in or get the bad negative energy or stuff.

From your perspective, like what do you think this all is? It's like, do you think from like every religion is valid? Do you think it's everybody's like not even close to what really is going on out there from what you've experienced and been exposed to?

And with that, Deborah, I will let you explain a little bit more about what you do and how you help others to clear some of the blockages to living a fulfilling life.

Yes.

So thanks, uh, Denise, I really appreciate you having me here and, you know, just, uh, trusting me enough to bring me onto your show and share a little bit about, you know, what I do and who I am.

And, uh, yeah.

So as far as, uh, what I do.

So, uh, I'm a medium, and I think that being a medium people have these preconceived ideas of what mediumship is supposed to look like or, or what the purpose of mediumship is.

And, uh, I think I was one of those people too for a very long time before I became a medium.

Mm-hmm.

So, so even saying, "I'm a winner, I'm gonna do this, I am conspiracy poppy," and all this crazy [laughs] stuff that we say, right? Not believing in it, those are empty words.

Pretty much.

This is why people say, and this is one of the things that it's, it's interesting.

It works if you know how to make it work.

So people are like, "Oh, you know, affirmations, you repeat the things to you." Yes, you do repeat things to yourself.

You're supposed to repeat these things to yourself.

So let's say you wanna affirm that you are a winner, right? Okay.

Kind of like don't take it for granted?

... still discovering some of the depths of that as well?

Mm-hmm.

It's very crazy because I don't know what to...

I don't...

I kind of run a full spectrum, like I can do a lot of things, and I don't understand how, and sometimes it just comes, like, naturally and I'm like, "I don't know what I'm doing." So, like, one example, um, [laughs] I remember as I'm d- like, sometimes I, I read, I have...

Okay, let me go back.

All right.

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