together.

And when I say dug, I mean, you work very, very hard.

One thing about all of this is, and this is something we've heard before, and we kind of, I listen, but there's times that I didn't do this.

And this is the thing that I had to do.

Do your research.

know your peoples know your research get other research that backs it up get so much that it helps you to wrap your head around it because that's how you get there um you become a scholar in a certain specific thing when you're doing dissertation my dissertation was done from my first week in school, from what happened in my first week in school when I called them and told them I was too stupid to be there.

What had me by the throat? What did that to me? Why did I feel so incapable? You know, what did that? So the main thing for me was figuring that one out.

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yeah,

escaped death right there in Maine, Georgia.

When my kids were like four and ten, my husband just would not stop drinking.

And so I thought that if we separated, actually, I had a dream two weeks before anything.

And I dreamed death was chasing me.

And this was a dream I will never, ever forget.

And it was so real that the end of the dream, I actually got up and ran.

Tell us a little bit about that.

as when I was a

kid.

Anyway, it didn't feel right.

So eventually, um, I found myself living under a bridge at about 16 and my dad was killed in a bad drug deal at 17.

And, um, I left and I pretty, you know, I go see my sister every now and then, but I just never turned back to that because it wasn't what I wanted for me or my kids.

Um, during the time that when my kids were young, um, my husband who was military, he was a cop.

Uh, he, had a drinking problem and I didn't like the drinking.

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