So going back, though, t- your, both of your personal stories, and I mentioned the, the, we had talked about the fat temp and the crazy raisin, what was your history both with this whole world and what led to, what led, what led to you guys meeting and doing, doing the book together and everything like that?

Well, Whitney and I met at a very different chapter of our lives.

Whit was in her late 20s, I was in my early 30s.

She was coming off the Olympics and a divorce from another Olympian.

I was in the midst of [laughs] God knows, one of my many, many long-term loves prior to meeting my husband.

We met over a love of many things.

[laughs] And we didn't yet know that we were gonna love working on body image together.

Yes, clothing.