Hmm.

Now, this is before AI.

This is a little over 10 and a half years ago.

But what happened was the computer did see an issue.

And what it found were microcalcifications.

And I was like, I don't know what that means.

And so I did what I tell people to avoid.

But what do you think that they're really, people are telling themselves from the start when they come to you for not counseling, but for the help and the empathy and you setting them up on a level up schedule? Feel they are.

So walk me through those because none of those sound exclusively like lessons for someone living with cancer.

Right.

You know, and I'll be honest, I can't take credit for that.

I hired somebody and was working with them.

This was before AI, right, that we did this.

And so it really is, you know, you need to lead.

And we've been talking about that.

What do you wish people would stop saying to someone with cancer? And what could we say or do instead?

It

continued.

You know, like I said, I did have multiple complications when I finally, you know, was now I had decided that I was going to have traditional treatment.

And I tell everybody, you've got to pick what's going to work best for you, because, you know, if you don't believe it's going to work, then it's not going to work.

And but I had worked for an oncologist and I worked for the American Cancer Society.

So I knew just enough to be dangerous.

Right.

What has this very difficult, and you're still on it, what has this very difficult journey taught you about fear that others don't know because they haven't been through it?

[laughs]

Um, and, right? You know, we really shouldn't do that, but I, I'd never heard of microcalcifications.

Discovered that every woman over a certain age gets those as the hormones in our bodies change.

And obviously, the vast, vast majority of the time, there's no problems.

They just float around, and they're so small that the computer saw it.

So this is before AI was, was doing things like this, but the computer was able to see those and see that they were starting to coalesce.

So my initial diagnosis was stage zero, which is, ugh, we're not even, you know.

What does that mean? [laughs]

and

had my mammogram, right? Because we're good girls.

We do that.

And I didn't even get home from the hospital and they called and said, you need to come back.

Now, many years ago, I worked for an oncologist and I worked for the American Cancer Society.

So I knew, oh, there's there's something that's going on.

And so I went back and, you know, had another mammogram and was diagnosed with micro calcifications.

Now, for people who are singles and also solopreneurs, that could present a different set of problems.