There's got to be a trickle-down effect that we can get this information in front of those who can benefit from learning.

yeah absolutely and one just um a little heads up you know the minute we're talking about the fact that much of the research that i've shared has been based on what women's lived experiences are but hasn't actually got to the point yet of quantifying it's it's basically qualitative research it's storytelling it's identifying key themes key features but um The university that I worked with for over four and a half years for a diabetes and menopause research project are currently in the process of a PhD with one of their fellows.

And that is developing a tool for use by healthcare professionals to open those conversations.

So it's slightly different from the conversations that we have about pregnancy.

pregnancy preparation but it's trying to get the pregnancy conversations whenever they are starting to come to an end when that phase in life is coming to an end by choice because of surgery because of physiology whatever that we can then start having those conversations being led by a healthcare professional because not everybody is as open and as direct or as brutally honest as we can be whenever we're encountering healthcare professionals.

So one of the researchers in Oxford University is currently in the process of developing a tool for healthcare professionals to have resources that they can use to initiate conversations, formulate the conversations and that's based on one of the unpublished papers which has been accepted for diabetic medicine here in the UK and there's another research group that I was co-opted into and they are also hoping to start building something for clinicians to guide them to help formulate what good care for women post-childbirth years is starting to look like, particularly with regard to perimenopause, menopause, post-menopause phase of life.

And I think maybe some of the conversations just haven't happened in the past, because as I was told at my diagnosis, and I think I did say this to you last time, was I probably wouldn't live long enough to experience menopause.

So yeah, just explain.

So how can it present in different ways?

So there's no single autistic presentation? And I think this is why it's so complicated.

And we have a saying, you know, if you've met one person who's autistic, you've met one person who's autistic.

One student might be very chatty with you.

They might have lots of social connections.

They might be high achieving.

Another person might use less spoken words, use alternative or augmented communication.

And that sheer sense of burnout, I can see that over the school years, that could be a very real thing for a lot of our young people, which we misinterpret.