are you doing that for? I am obsessed and I want to do a TV series on this it's one of my favourite things and I've looked at all the ways people get rich but people get rich off these really kind of random things like a toilet roll like it's a necessity it's an absolute necessity it's not

glamorous it's not like no but I mean imagine how unglamorous it would be if we didn't have them just saying but it's just it's just a niche you're like there's a gap there always there's always I mean like I remember when it was locked down and the amount of people that were calling on my dad going but you still wish you're in the bog roll game won't you all I got out too early but no they I mean my mom's passed away now but yeah they were really successful but my dad my dad he's got a new family now and he lives over he lives over in France but yeah I mean he's Such an inspiration to me, both of them, because I used to hear them arguing at night about big business and everything about what's going on in the factory and like he'd be there at three in the morning because the rewinder's gone or there's a fire or something or someone's been on the rob and, you know, running around chasing scallywags who've nicked a load of toilet rolls.

But I just remember business being spoken about and manufacturing.

I grew up in a factory.

That hustle, that work ethic.

Yeah, anything's possible.

attitude and that's and that's hopefully that's what I'll pass on to because I'm like of course we should make stuff of course we should we should make things available to people of course we should like deliver a solution and that's why I set up Will Powders and people say oh it's yes because of your dad I'm like I mean I didn't get a penny off my dad I'm not like this like um What's the word? A trustafarian? Yeah.

psychiatrists they

And we were saying, I wonder if we did a little study to see how many And people with ADHD in medicine decide to do those sort of really fast-paced jobs that change all the time.

Apparently paramedics and chefs, they are just amazing, you know, with the excitement because all of a sudden chaos is... brings them right into, they know exactly what to do in a time of emergency.

This flood of dopamine and this flood of adrenaline all of a sudden quietens everything down and they have a plan of attack.

Whereas other people go, ah, overwhelmed completely.

Actually, I must tell you a story.

I think it was 1998, was it 1998? I was living in London at the time with my cousin and we were in Soho in the afternoon and And we were going out for a drink.

And I think it was Saturday afternoon.

through it, actually, because I had IVF.

together.

But yeah, so they're really like, both of them definitely were neurodiverse like myself.

And I was just with my dad last night and he's so like me, conversational all over the place.

So I do think there's a bit of inherited personality traits there.

But yeah, a great childhood.

I was an only child, though.

Mum got breast cancer straight after me.

Is there any universal or universally adaptable to be a specific piece of advice that you could give for someone who's watching or listening to this right now who thinks that's me?

So can you explain, in really layman's terms, what is ultra-processed foods? What are the kind of things that people have in their, in their cupboards or in their pantries that are ultra-processed, and why we've had such a kind of move to try and move away from these foods?

foods?Well, um, Chris Van Tulleken did a really good job of it out here in the UK.

He's a doctor, um, talking about un- ultra-processed people.

And now what used to be a, a staple like bread with only three ingredients sometimes has...

God, uh, well, well we've now had it, uh, by law, uh, fortified with folic acid, which for like half the population can be detri- uh, de- detrimental to them, particularly when it comes to B12 absorption and things like that.

We've got, we've got a genetic, uh, variant called the MTHFR gene variant, and it can actually cause, uh, neurological issues, yeah, like a flatline feeling, depression.

And, you know, it, this government overreach, which both of our governments do, is, you know, it, it, it, it sounds great.

What d- what does sleep look like for Davina today in comparison to the, to the, um, the girl in the past who was probably having partying and having a good time?

Yeah.

When you've got like people, uh, doctors, medics coming and saying, "There's no evidence for this." I'm like, well, of course there's not because we're 450 years behind the men, because only up until 1997 were we just considered too complicated and just considered small men.

And our hormones were too impossible to track and they gave too many variables.

So there's, there's literally no data on us.

That's why we're having horrific menopauses.

That's why we're having...

And I mean, there's, where's the endometriosis studies? Where's the, where's the PCOS studies? It's only just been considered a metabolic disease after decades of women going, "This is summat to do with my metabolism." They won't have it.

[laughs]

No, it was wine.

I think maybe I am...

I always seek stimulation.

And actually, it was when one of my sons was 10, I got him diagnosed with ADHD.

And as I was going through the checklist, I'm like, oh, that's me.

And then I got diagnosed.

And as I was growing up, I was always a dolly daydream.

there isn't a perfect there

Run? Mm-hmm.

Run, yeah.

I go for a, n- not a sprint.

Although I'll probably end up sprinting.

If I'm really mad, I'll do an uphill sprint.

But I, bearing in mind, when I was at the supermarket, this is, like, 10 years ago, I used to have to park right next to, you know, where the mother and baby-... uh, uh, uh, uh, r- reservation is for the car.

I used to be right next to there so I had less steps to get into the supermarket.

Yeah, yeah.

Mm

... who are addicts generally.

We are outward-seeking.

We are generally fut- we, we do like to create.

We are lot, often creative types who are very outgoing sometimes, and we do generally have a type A personality.

But what's very interesting now with the advent of phones, you're finding type B personalities who are normally much more serotonin-based, more the caregivers, the people who tell stories, people who are very much in- homey type people-

Yeah.

And that's where biohacking's come in for me so, so fabulously, like accessing these ketones, accessing a diet schedule whereby during the day I can be lively and, um, confident and optimistic, and at night I can have like, you know, meat, two veg, and sourdough, and get cozy and watch Marshmallow TV, watch...