What made you decide to start your own business with it?

I've always wanted to start my own business, right? So I always wanted to run my own business, and it was just a question of seeing what opportunity, uh, came along in life.

Um, before I was a manufacturer, I was a distributor, so used to buy other people's products in.

Then we tried a thing called contract manufacturing, where we, um, we got other people to make cookies for us, our own brand, but they, they made them for us.

And those things both had their challenges, so in the end, I got a little frustrated with that and said, "Well, if I, if I manufacture it myself, then I have control of the quality and the price, and, and I can do all the things.

I've got the freedom to go ahead and, and build a business that way." And so that's why we chose to become, uh, a manufacturer.

But I always wanted to be self-employed, and I've basically been self-employed since I was 23.

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