But then I think you were out in California for grad school in UCLA?

Yeah, absolutely.

And like I was saying, I'm very much a late bloomer in a lot of the things that I've done.

It's like coming into microbiology later.

And I was very fortunate.

Great instructors at Michigan State.

I learned a lot, the really passionateness instructors, a lot of great lab experiences.

confidently and to learn from that and to draw back in in the future and i'm curious if there's a way in which in in your lab as you're working with high school students or undergraduate students that have maybe never streaked a plate before or never done an aseptic transfer or used a micropipette you know is there is there a particular way that you you find yourself sort of installing confidence in those in those individuals even before they have that confidence themselves