So that's how it started for David and for myself.

And I became very quickly engaged simply because Omar is such a strong personality, as you well know, Bill, and has such a great story and has been such an important leader in the refugee community.

Even back then, again, as May said, during the Trump administration, all of those strengths and those important roles he's played have changed.

just continue to this day.

And it was an opportunity to tell his story.

But frankly, it was an opportunity to put a face on refugees in a way that a lot of media doesn't always do.

Here's somebody who's very proactive, who's very influential, who really makes a difference and is neither a rich tech billionaire nor some sympathy-inducing refugee.

Were you able to capture that?

So is it true that the US government, I mean, I'm not saying that they're pro-child child abuse, but is it true that they're actually taking a firm line on it?

Oh, no, they're certainly not taking a firm line.

And I think more just that the potential for regulation probably lies in that space.

And I guess we will see a change in kind of, I guess, across the House and the Senate after November.

And that might open, maybe open some space for Congress to do their job.

I don't know.

But yeah, certainly that's not being driven at the federal level.

So this is sort