What made you want to even explore this in a podcast format? I mean, really, what does the format of podcasts allow for you to accomplish that other modes of reporting maybe don't, like a one-day spot or feature? Talk to me about the idea of a long-form podcast to tell this story, Washburn.

Well, what really sealed it for me was the level of access that the family granted Katie.

They really let her into their lives.

And narrative podcasts are among the best ways to let people tell their stories in their own words.

Also, from a pure storytelling standpoint, one of their own had a narrative arc that was tailor-made for a podcast series.

And I must also say that whenever possible as an editor, you want to match the format with the reporter's strengths.

And Katie is a master when it comes to long-form audio storytelling.

And anything to add to that? Any roadblocks from the editor's standpoint? I know there were some legal roadblocks, as there usually are in stories like this, Washburn.

Uh, let's start with, uh, Dave Washburn, if you would.

I studied with Rob McGregor after I did my master's and stuff, and we came up of a routine that involves, uh, Jimmy Stamp mostly, but it's breathing exercises.

It's buzzing your lips to get blood flowing to your chops before you go to the mouthpiece.

There's a little bit of mouthpiece, and then just, you know, running through different flexibility and tonguing on the trumpet.

I'm one of those that believes that a warm-up shouldn't take too long.

And then after the warm-up, take a little break, and then you get into calisthenic exercises that, that, that, um, help you to get through the day.

But [laughs] he found out last night pretty quickly that, uh, you can't just pick up the horn and blow, you know? You gotta, uh-

I think the biggest thing for me mouthpiece-wise is that you need to know why you're doing it.