But what was it like to interact with him on a daily basis, multiple times a day, and to be able to help the president, advise the president on decisions that he would make? I mean, what is that like for somebody who has no context or frame of reference?

uh it's great i mean president trump you know i'll split things into a couple of different you know buckets um you know as far as a client goes he's great he's a challenging client you know but i've had in my career some of the best clients for the most challenging clients right because you know obviously you know is a bit of a legal nerd you get into like oh well this client has all these challenging issues that I get to deal with, right? You know, so from a legal nerd perspective, you know, dealing with that, you like dealing with that, you like to try to solve the problems, you know, and as a litigator, that's, you know, one of my other mentors told me, he said, as a litigator, The true definition of a litigator is a problem solver.

You're trying to solve your client's problem, right? Whatever that looks like, you're trying to solve the problem.

So working for President Trump has been great in that regard.

He's a fantastic client.

And he is a great president.

Words can't describe how honored I am to have had the opportunity to work with him.

is met with resistance and not just you know a little thing here a little thing there oftentimes it's a coordinated campaign of lawsuits filed in district courts all across the country in particular district courts as well and so what was it like to coordinate that response with the department of justice with everybody else in the council's office advising the president making sure that everybody is prepared to rapidly respond to this onslaught of lawfare?