And I wonder if you sometimes worry about the same thing, that an emphasis on how strong we are and how mighty we are, and again, thank God that we are, but we have to remember where that power comes from rather than emphasize that this is a Jewish fist.

I would say it in a bit a different way.

You know, let's start with the rhetoric.

You mentioned that you hinted to the verse, Well, there are two explanations to that verse.

Rav Feuder used to quote the run, Rabbeinu Sim, that said that you should say, you should realize your power, but you should remember who gave you that power.

Never forget the source of power.

My problem with the power is not that people will think, well, it's me and it's not God.

How would you answer that person? And how do we deal with the idea that sometimes the demands of Torah do conflict with what might be my natural assumption of how I want to behave?

So what are the relations between the main groups here that I just mentioned, the Romans, the Jewish elite, everyday Judeans, and the Jewish zealots?

What connected me to that story and what connected me to that film is the reality of our current life and how the structure of our society today in Israel, and maybe in the entire Jewish world, reminds me a lot of components of the Jewish society in Judea and Jerusalem a few years before the destructions.

The Romans are the empire.

They control a huge part of the world, and Palestine, the land of Israel, is one of the territories that they control, which was considered by them one of the most problematic places because they knew that the Jews actually are different.

Unlike the Hellenist world in that time, that most of the people were ready to convert.

In the Jewish people, in the Jewish group, most of the people, most of the regular people were not ready to cooperate with the rich- changing rituals, allowing kids, uh, go to the stadiums or to the gymnastic classes or other things that the Romans brought to the land of Israel.

The Jewish people did not cooperate with that, except for one group, which was basically the rich group, which belonged to the aristocracy of the Jewish people.

So Rabbi Stav, who is Ben Zakkai, first, and then how do you relate to him as a rabbi?

So even though we can say, or one can say, it's the Haredim, in practice people look at all the religious parties in the Knesset and say, "They don't represent us."

You want me to quote the verses that the prophet is saying, and we are going to read on Shabbat Hazon, about the Kohanim that teach that, uh, t- Kohanim I feel it's so important that you just mentioned the Haftarah will read the Shabbat, Shabbat Hazon.

This is going to be released on Sunday night, Monday, so from two days ago I can say now.

But that Haftarah with Yeshayahu HaNavi, I think it's important for us to get into our heads, he was talking to the religious Jews.

The people who didn't care weren't listening to Yeshayahu.

Yeshayahu was talking to people, hopefully, who thought of themselves as the ones who are the vanguard of Torah.

They might've been Ovdei Avodah Zarah in their day.

Right

So what were the results of the survey?

Yeah.

So in order to explain the survey and who was doing this survey, I have to say a few words about Zohar.

Zohar is a rabbinic organization that was established a few months after the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, where we felt that the gap and the hole that has been created between observant and non-observant people arrived to a peak, arrived to a level that could break our society to fractions.

especially because the murder was a Frum boy, a Shiba boy, and because the religious people were actually the biggest protesters against the Oslo agreements.

And therefore, the gap between observant and non-observant arrived to levels that were terrible.

Frum people could hardly walk in the streets without being accused for direct or indirect responsibility for that murder.

Should we make them feel comfortable and supply them the segregated units?

What's the actual problem here, explained to our listeners, from a religious perspective? Why is it problematic for a religiously observant Jew who serves in the IDF to serve in a tank with a woman?

Well, I would like to be honest with you.

I think that it doesn't, I think for many boys and girls that are not observant, it also is not the right framework for them to be together 12 and sometimes 24 and 36 hours together in the same tank, boys and girls together.

I'll give you just an example.

Suppose you are now in training for two or three days and there is no place, no organized restrooms.

And do you think that the girls would feel comfortable to make their exterminations in the tank, in front of boys' eyes? I'm not sure that secular girls would like to work under these circumstances.

Having said that, by observing boys, the problem is getting more difficult because we are prohibited by our religion, by our law, A boy and a girl should not be together alone for more than a couple of minutes together.

Why has the coalition, in your opinion, acted to replace that law again? And why, in your opinion, is this a bad thing?

Are we free? Are we slaves when we are celebrating our freedom and have to run to the bomb shelter because a ballistic missile is coming in? What are we? How do you teach us what this all means? How can there be this contradiction?

I think that's the essence of the story of that night.

And I think that that's the essence of the Jewish people.

First of all, historically speaking, we have to admit that since the Exodus from Egypt, we are counting around 3.3 thousand years.

Most of these years, we did not have independence.

We were running all over the world.

We were in Europe.

And we are told by Chazal in the Talmud, we are told by the sages, our ancestors when they were slaves in Egypt it wasn't just that bad things were done to them humiliations were done they themselves fell into a dump that's true

Can you briefly map out the different communities and the ideologies that fall under the label? And obviously, this in and of itself could be its own episode, but I do want to set this up.

I will make it very short.

For the Hamas and for the Palestinians, all the Jews that live in the state of Israel are settlers.

For those who live outside Israel, and some of the Israelis, those who live in the territories that were captured, that were released in the 1967 war, all of the people which are today above a half a million people there are called settlers.

But among these settlers, there are hundreds of thousands people that are regular citizens and inhabitants that, uh, go to work and are very moral.

And I would say that 99% of what we call settlers, people that live in these areas of Judea and Samaria or the territories that were occupied in 1967, 99% of them are people that never touched an Arab or never dared to curse an Arab, and most of them are very good people.

There is a very small group, most of them are kids that did not finish high school, and these people decided out of a kind of a very extreme ideology to settle certain places in the territories.

What's the story, Rabbi Stav, that they're telling themselves when they carry out these acts of violence?