I started by asking him what he was trying to fix.

LCOE, levelized cost of energy, is a typical metric that we use to compare energy resources, and it's great on a project basis, but I think once you zoom out, it tends to fall, uh, short, uh, when we wanna talk about, you know, reliability, when we wanna talk about, uh, firming, right? That typically needs-- Uh, there's extra steps there, right? And so the marginal cost, firm cost capacity, the MCC, uh, takes that into account.

It, it in- incorporates the, uh, this concept called the effective-- marginal effective load carrying capacity of, uh, a resource, which is essentially how much a resource will contribute to when, uh, when the grid is stressed during peak hours.

Maybe that's the hottest summer day or these weird winter peaks that we're seeing.

And it takes that into account.

And, uh, I think that's, that's what it, uh, was formulated for.

And then it reflects it back into household energy bills during this time where energy affordability is, is super important.

What does-- What choices or decisions are you trying to help, uh, shape or influence?