But how did you find out about Alistair Crowley? Were you a young man, and what led you into magic?

Sure.

So...

I had been, the story starts with Carl Jung, basically.

I had been exposed to Jung in high school, just lightly, but I became aware and started reading.

Probably Man and His Symbols, I think, was the first book I picked up.

So that was the seed that was planted.

And this is, how would you describe this in a nutshell to those curious about what is being done and what the purpose of it is and why you felt it powerful enough to include?

figure it out together.

There'll be an autobiography someday where I try to piece these things together.

Well, I jokingly sometimes say, just keep doing the work and don't die and you'll get somewhere, you know.

But so that was step one.

Or step one and two.

So what happened was, you know what, the best way to talk about this probably is that I was listening to the universe in terms of how things in my life were going.

Right about the time I was a probationer of AA and in another degree, in another form of the work that is very threshold-y also, things that used to work just stopped working.

And so I would like to hear your, just your opinion on what you think about where we're at in our current zeitgeist, as well as how important it is for the Western esoteric tradition to basically be a bright light in a very dark world.