Although they

published, they did publish people like Dennis Altman or to some extent Seymour Kleinberg, who we've talked about, who did, you know, maybe see things that way.

But they were just one voice among, that was what, you know, Denny was really important to Denny, what he articulates in that like essay that we read is that, you know, very much that it's not a party line, it's like plurivocal.

And so, yeah.

Yeah, I think you're right that there is...

I think you're right that there is a political kind of valence to that in this moment.

I don't think it's as obvious what a gay male political project is today in the same way that it might have been then, because, like, as Denany's talking about in this essay here, like, a lot of what... a lot of the original Christopher Street is, like...

I wanted to, I realized one of the things I was really interested in hearing from you guys is, and I think this follows from what we were just talking about, which is like, to the extent there is a gay male scene, not scene, like intellectual landscape, that's a better way of putting it, to the extent there is a contemporary gay male intellectual landscape, what is it? What are its nodes? Who are its players? Because I don't think that I'm or is it a bunch of, you know, house gays who are parked at, you know, different straight institutions or something like that? And in fact, other than you and bad gays or something like that and Billy Eichner, it's it's just it's just, you know, it's just a lot of individuals with different kind of degrees of audience.