Tell us all about that.

All right.

So Kath Grushka was an academic at the University of Newcastle.

She's apparently meant to have retired.

She's a good friend.

I've co-supervised PhD students with her.

And she's always had an interest in the way that the arts can support healing and reconciliation and particularly looking at indigenous concepts as well linked to it.

What's the value of the five P's as the template for inquiry?