Well,

I think you'll recognize the themes, first of all, in every single element, management, staff.

the auditors, the examiners, the insurers.

Let's remind ourselves, it's a very human process, right? So we can have regulations, we can have best practices, but at the end of the day, somebody somewhere is going to say to themselves, okay, I think David's a thief.

I think David's doing something wrong.

And when that's a well-loved person, right, under the view of, let's say, the board and the supervisory committee or an examiner, not a CPA, but not the auditor, someone who's not... them for years and years, it becomes a tough question.

People, they're like, oh, well, you know, I've known him for so long.

Very

It's a difficult subject.

And I've learned for different reasons.

I used to think it's a difficult subject.

Maybe people have been involved, like maybe they've been around stuff and they're worried about it.

But the other side is lots of people have had exposure to sexual trauma, surprisingly.

Males, that's been a surprise to me.

A lot of people are like, actually, I've had some experiences that were negative.

Oh, wow.