Is he in Europe?

No, no, he's American back in the late 1800s, early 1900s.

He's a physician in New York.

Coley, William Coley, that was his name.

He's in my book.

And he had this guy who had a sarcoma on his jaw, and Dr. Ewing, a surgeon there, would keep removing it surgically, that thing, but it kept coming back.

It was a cancer on his jaw.

like, you know, breast biopsies and those types of things?

you know,

And when they started calling it AIDS.

And they wanted to make it a global thing.

And I started learning about it a little bit, but it wasn't very big.

It wasn't very popular.

And then it was April 23rd, 1984, when Margaret Hechtler, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, brought out Robert Gallo.

They made the pronouncement that he had discovered the probable cause of AIDS.

And so it's something unnatural that's like not, they're not finding anything particular.

Are you saying that it was not contagious from person to person only through injecting?

It's not an infectious disease.

It was not caused by a virus or a contagious disease.

We can get into those details if you want to.

The important thing that I want to say right here is one of my early light bulb moments.

We had this Bay Area group that met once a month.

We'd go to a seminar at University of California, San Francisco, and then go out to a Chinese restaurant after.

Can you talk a little bit about metabolic control analysis or MCA and how it relates to what you're talking about?

So my question to you is, what led you to question the conventional understanding of cancer in the first place?

Well, when I joined up with Professor Peter Duesberg in 1996 in UC Berkeley, California, I left the pharmaceutical industry that year for good.

I fed up with it and went across the bay to support Peter Duesberg and his battle against Anthony Fauci and the AIDS stuff.

about the HIV stuff.

Peter Duesberg, the world authority on retroviruses published an article about Robert Gallo's so-called HIV virus that he actually stole from Montagnier back in 1984.

And Peter is the world authority on those kinds of viruses.

And he published an invited article in 1986 in Cancer Research was like a legal document.

So what is happening inside the body during this process?

Please answer each of them.

Oh, I wanted to address anyway, I'll get started.

Um, normal human cells use very efficient mitochondria to turn glucose into energy.

In 1926, Otto Warburg discovered that cancers, all cancers depend on a different source of energy called glycolysis.

Warburg got a Nobel prize for his discovery.

Glycolysis is the Achilles heel of all cancers.

I want to say that again.

Am I right about that?

Um, but before we chat about that, David, if you wouldn't mind, just quickly take me through your, your history with HIV/AIDS and why you got into it and, and what you concluded.

Right.

Um, I moved from, uh, Abbott Laboratories in Chicago in, uh, 2000 to the San Francisco Bay Area in, uh, uh...

No, 2000 is wrong, isn't it? It was, uh, 1980.

[chuckles] Sorry about that.

Yeah, it was 1980.

I left Abbott Laboratories and, um, moved to the San Francisco Bay Area, start- set up my first biotech company.

So, an antibody would be, like, the shadow of the person, and in, and in order for you to know what the shadow is, you need to know what the person is.

Now, I think, um, another angle of the same question is, if you are so highly specialized, you are exceptionally unlikely to, to critique it because you don't have the outsider's advantage.

Abso- okay, now let's bring that part in, the outsider, because t- uh, I, I didn't come up with that i- idea immediately.

I didn't think of myself that way.

It's only retrospectively when I was writing this book.

Uh, when you see all the t- twists and turns my life took, uh, o- o- you know, and I...

Like with Vietnam and all that, and come back and do this and do that.

A lot of people have these things in their mind, and they really focus, and they just really go that way.

[laughs]

I have

a PhD in chemistry and undergraduate degrees in biology and chemistry.

I worked in the pharmaceutical biotech field for about 20 years.

I was one of two brand new PhD chemists that Abbott Laboratories hired in 1978. to set up the chemistry group in the diagnostics division.

We did that.

I left in 1980.

I left Abbott to start my first biotech company in California.

So that drug, are you referring to poppers?

Mm-hmm.

You know? But if you have it chronically exposed, exposure, a lot of these things, all carcinogens, all carcinogens, no exception, cause an imbalance of chromosomes.

And how does this come about? I'll give you an example.

When you have a normal cell with your 46 chromosomes in there, and then those chromosomes double right before the cell divides, then the cell divides into two portions and, and the chromosomes are pulled, separated away.

46 will go to one cell on the right and 46 will go to the one cell on the left, and they separate.

Now you have two fresh cells that came from one, and they're balanced, and that's what goes on throughout our lives all the time.

Now, there's these little strings of proteins, uh, that pull the chromosomes apart to separate them.

All the things, if people wanna reach out to you and find out more about your research.

What's it cau- well then, Dr. Rasnick, what's, what's it caused by?

Uh, carcinogens.

Carcinogens, uh, unbalance the chromosomes in pe- in people's cells.

For example, like asbestos, cigarette smoking, things like that.

All cancers have unbalanced chromosomes.

There's no such thing as a gene mutation that causes cancer.

In fact, the mainstream people have known this for over a decade, but the public doesn't know it.

Yeah.

Yeah,

that's it.

And the thing is, is that oddly enough, this weird period that we're in that started in 2020, at least noticeably in 2020, is actually a renaissance, believe it or not, in a way.

What I mean by renaissance is the sharing of information that individuals and groups have known about for a long, long time, but the public doesn't know about it.

It's just kept away from them, you know? And I do at least...

three Zooms, meetings a week.

That doesn't count the interviews like with you and other people to promote the book.

Doctor, what's the biggest bombshell in your discovery that you want our viewers to know?