So a communist with maybe a quarter of a billion dollars running around the world doing what exactly? Why does the US government want to extradite him? What's he accused of?

The US government is accusing him of essentially funneling money into, uh, Hamas.

Uh, but I don't think...

I, I think it's important to put that in context.

I mean, I don't wanna really legitimize what the US government is trying to do here, which is clearly part of a larger campaign to go after ideological opponents, to, uh, chill dissent.

Fergie is a, a, is a interesting character.

He's, uh, got a lot of flaws, um, but, uh, I, I don't want those flaws to sort of overshadow the larger point that I don't think that there's a, a whole lot of legitimacy to what the US is trying to do here.

Ah, okay.

So can we talk about the realities versus the beautiful YouTube videos and the mangoes and the good-looking people?

Sure.

I mean, I guess I would say it, it, it comes on sort of slowly.

I mean, this is...

Th- we have to remember this is happening over the course of several years.

Um, but, uh, you know, and, and, and, and I think it's accelerated.

I mean, early on, yes, there are, are, are YouTube videos, there are social media posts, but you know, they first go to Honduras in 2016.

Okay.