But can you talk a little bit more about that? Because I think this is really a really interesting area.

It is very interesting.

And again, you recently had an episode on the OODA loop.

And I think this is a really good time to bring the OODA loop in, the whole thing of observe, orient, decide, act, and then crank repeat, crank repeat, crank repeat.

But people tend to misunderstand orient in the OODA loop as you just work out what you want to do.

No, you work out which thing is easiest to influence, which thing is most significant to influence, which thing if you tinkered with it would explode in your face and cause some sort of system failure that would then make your life even harder.

So orient is what can you do that's safe? What can you do that's dangerous? What can you do that gets you closer to your preferred endpoint? what can you do to totally and utterly disrupt the system, which is probably going to be very, very dangerous.

personally find the most helpful for setting individuals or teams up to navigate