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David O'Brien

David O'Brien

Vice Chancellor for External Relations (Government Relations) at the California Community Colleges Chancellor's Office; higher education policy expert on college affordability.

Sep 1, 2026

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advertise
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it.
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Oh, sure.
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Right, right.
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We don't always want everybody to know which ones are more vulnerable, etc., The other thing is a lot of roles and officers, uh, offices you see on campus these day are in response to federal or state mandates, right? So disability accommodations before 1990, there was no Americans with disabilities act.
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And I'd like to think that some colleges and universities were still providing accommodations for students with disabilities, but we all know that it was because it was mandated.
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And now they have to have those accommodations in place that that's a reason why there's been a big growth in spending on things like disability accommodations, which I'm, again, totally OK with.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Then we'll be on with David O'Brien.
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This is when people started to frame policymakers, I should say, started to frame acquiring a college education, the choice of student to go to college as a consumer choice that is purely a choice of private individuals to go and get a degree if you want one that you should probably pay for mostly yourself out of your pocket.
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Not something that benefits society as a whole.
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No such thing as society.
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Not something that benefits communities or regions of the state as a whole.
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Just a pure personal choice.
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Like, what type of car are you going to buy next year, Thomas? Are you going to go to college or not? It started to be seen as just this market choice.

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So you think this will end up with leading to more student loan debt?
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the July
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1st episode of The Daily discusses the Trump administration's recently enacted regulations concerning what they call the value of a college degree.
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And specifically, what went into effect this July 1st, just a couple of days ago, are some rules by the U.S. Department of Education.
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which of course this administration still insists they're trying to get rid of, even though paradoxically the department is somehow more active at enacting new rules and regulations than they've ever been.
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But that's neither here nor there.
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There's these new rules that are going into effect under a framework called financial value transparency and gainful employment.
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And that's a really wonky sort of government bureaucraties way of saying that that starting this July 1st, and this will be first enforced, I think, about a year from now, all colleges and universities in the United States that get federal funds for financial aid, so that's the Pell Grant, that's federal student loans, that's programs like federal work-study programs, that's the overwhelming majority of public and private colleges and universities in the United States, including all the Ivy Leagues, all the way down to the flagship systems like UC, UC Berkeley, UCLA, the state-level universities like Cal State, the community colleges, as well as, of course, our friends, and I say friends sarcastically, in the for-profit college sector, which do still exist and which have some pretty strong allies, I'll say, in this administration.

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I think I'm making a slightly different point, which is that's why I sort of doubt what he's saying.

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