nowadays when I say, how long have you

been there? And I say, more than three decades.

It's a bit of an anomaly.

But truth be told, when I got out of school the market was down a bit and it was kind of difficult to get a job and once this opportunity opened up the firm was called balden corporation at the time and they were doing a project for donald trump actually for the for the downtown downtown gaming license that they were going after and um you know when i when i first got on board i did your typical intern things picked up picked up details, did bathroom layouts or what have you.

But very early on was tasked with doing some conceptual design sketches for a project that was going out the door.

It was for a riverboat casino project down in Biloxi, Mississippi.

And when my hand sketching ability was noted by the then director of design, he's like, well, he's mine now.

do the tribes sometimes lean more in the direction of let's create that kind of conceptual theme and not worry as much about the cultural heritage? Or is it really quite a bit more about leaning into that cultural heritage?