So getting back to the conversation in the United States about socialism and social democracy, doesn't it seem counterproductive to be running electorally as supporters of socialism when it's really social democracy that's being proposed? Don't the big money right-wing forces immediately attack because the word socialism is being used?

Yeah, I mean, that's a good question.

I think as an outsider, it probably seemed like that.

And in some ways it would be, you know, I think it's a good intuition that you have there.

However, somewhat of the problem, I think, comes with the unique history of the United States.

So the United States is extremely unique in the Western world in the sense that there has never really been a popular social democratic party or what we call a Labour Party, let's say, in England or something like that or Australia.

So if you were to use the term Labour Party or use the term Social Democrat, you would probably confuse the average American voter, American journalist or something, or fellow politicians.

Is this an example of American exceptionalism, which blinds the country to experiences outside the U.S.? And what might this mean for the evolution of socialism or social democracy in America?