Yeah,

yeah.

No, I mean, I think that's probably if you had to look at, you know, someone who in a previous job had to deal with both, that's probably the way I used to characterise it, that the Smart Energy Council was more distributed energy and solar and that the Clean Energy Council was more large scale and wind.

but with crossover.

We have members in wind and large-scale and vice versa.

But in that sense, I think there are actually very different industries, really.

Someone putting a solar panel on a roof or supplying material to a to a solar panel installer focused on households is very different to a multinational company providing, you know, offshore wind resources.

Are you seeing the rest of the industry sort of still struggling to sort of catch up and keep up? I mean, maybe this technology and this consumer demand will actually sort of bring that innovation, which we probably haven't really been seeing enough of until now.

Here's a bit of what David McElroy had to say.

We live in Australia.

We have the best renewable energy sources in the world.

We have wind and solar.

We have large batteries.

We have the technology we can invest in to provide that dispatchable power.

The cheapest form of energy is renewable energies.

Okay, but, but, but does that also take into account that if we just leave it in the ground, eventually it rots and creates methane, which, you know, in its unadulterated form, is a very potent greenhouse gas?

It, it does.

Uh, and, and there are alternatives though to treating that waste and that, uh, a better way of doing it is particularly separating the sort of organic material, you know, so often like wood or, or pulp or, or, or organic material, and then putting that in and then harvesting the methane, farming the methane.

And you can get about eighty-five.

So that's a much better way of managing that methane.

That's the technology we have now.

You can use it.

Yeah, all right.

No. Yeah.

And I think you've got to distinguish, too, between the state governments and federal governments.

So we've got a state election coming up in Victoria this year and a New South Wales election next year.

And I'd like to think that the opposition parties...

In the state level, I'm not as anti-renewable as they are federally and as they are in Queensland.

So there's a little bit less risk, I think.

And, you know, for example, the Victorian opposition minister has got a pretty strong pro-commissioned industrial solar policy.

But how are you feeling about the big shoes that you're filling, David? Yeah.