So talk to me, uh, talk, talk to us a little bit about, um, about these silos, um, why they exist, and some of the unique approaches you've taken to, uh, try to, to try to address these issues.

Um, I have-- Thank you for the, that's a great question.

Um, you know, that's my heart's burning desire.

Um, I, I have to say that it started when I became a new attending in sleep, attending physician.

You know, now I'm an academic egghead in this fancy new program, and I, I couldn't help but bring my primary care heart into it.

And so this is a story that I've told often.

I've told it on my blog on the Empowered Sleep Apnea Project, and I often tell this story live.

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