But when did it become, you know, when did it change for you? And it was no longer about impressing, but it became about serving people because that's what I'm hearing.

Yeah, yeah.

I think the true defining moment, to be honest, is when I got married and had children.

I had a different sense of purpose and a greater purpose at that time.

You know, my wife, Caroline, actually, and I met in aged care.

You know, she was...

She was a carer at the time and now she's a compliance manager.

And, you know, obviously you've had a wonderful career to date and say you've had awards, but it's not about the awards.

Tell me about, you know, uh, some of the s- the transformations you've seen, um, among your, your clients there or, you know, the, the personal satisfaction of, of working in this setting.

Yeah.

So, um, let's take a scope back and then a bit of a fray back to, to have a look at its entirety, you know.

You know, I, I very realized early on while working in this sector, um, that, you know, I am but one man.

So, um, I needed to try and get a team around me that was able to have the same vision and the values and then the investment.

So when I came on the journey with St Vincent's, you know, I really stipulated that, you know, we need to get the people, the right people, the right, the right mindset, the right ethos, the right vision.to help drive what we're trying to achieve.

So we started with our people and making sure that we, we had the right chefs and the right, you know, kitchen hands, the right FSA, the food service staff, which at the time, you know, a lot of that was around, um, you know, it was pre-pa-um, pandemic itself.

So tell us what you're expecting at Food and Hospitality Week and, and why is it that you engage in competitions?