the world around you seems to be in chaos?

That's when you need it even more.

So when we tell a story in the book that Andy Grove told in his book, Only the Paranoid Survive, and Grove, the scene is, it's the early '80s, and Grove and Gordon Moore, for whom, as we know, Moore's Law is named, were running Intel.

Moore was the chairman of the board, and Grove was the CEO.

They were co-f- they were there at the beginning.

And so for 15 years, they made a big company.

They were famous.

What role does that play?

At one point, they faced a crucial decision, and how did what you call distancing help them?

Yeah, so, uh, we all know Intel, we all know that they make microprocessors, but that's not how they started.

They started with memory chips, and so Grove and Moore, uh, in the '60s started building this company and they did extremely well, as we know, and they grew the company up.

And then by the time the '80s came along, memory chips were being commoditized and there was- there were, uh, competitive squeezes from mainly the Asian manufacturers who were doing better on both price and, frankly, quality.

Uh, at the same time, they had this little tiny product called the 4004 microprocessor, and so now we're in the early '80s and they can't make enough of these things.

But it's a minute part of the company and it wasn't what the company was started with.

And so, Grove and Moore are kind of going back and forth for a year about what they should do with the company, and any external observer would look and say, "Well, that's obvious.

Yeah.