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So...

And she did cook me chops.

Um, and th- uh, that was, uh, uh, yeah, she offered me a, a bundy and dry, um, or a spumante.

I had a choice between one of those.

And you know, like I came there as...

And I say that because it goes to my inner city elitism.

Go for it.

Did you realise then how significant this was?

No.

I thought she was a passing phenomenon.

I mean, I did think that she spoke to aspects of Australia that looking back on that story from 30 years ago, I don't think I explored enough.

I mean, I think Pauline represents a lot of things that in Australia that we might not like to accept or certainly that I, I think Margot's right that things have changed enormously, but the things that haven't changed is that what Pauline says about Australia is that in the land of the migrant population, is on the nose.

A country that, you know, you were a yid or you were a tyke or you were a refo or you were a chink.

I mean, all of the terrible terms that we used for immigrants.

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