So what is it about the way we collect materials that is just as important as what we do with them after the collecting?

Yeah, this is so important to getting a good outcome here.

You know, most people think of recycling as what do I take out of my kitchen and what do I put on my curbside? And beyond that, it's really, really difficult.

Like what's in my garage, hard to recycle stuff, like oil containers that are empty that have a little residual in them.

Most people don't have, don't know what to do with them.

And so they wind up in the waste stream.

And if you put them in your curbside collection program, then we have a massive problem.

And