So that must have been quite interesting to see how intelligence got used and when people take it seriously and how they treat it.

Yeah, I mean, look, it's a, it's a very interesting role, um, probably just about any time.

Um, but, uh, it-- very rewarding to be there to be able to make a significant contribution at a key time in the alliance's history.

I think three things, um, really stand out to me.

I think the first is that the performance of the Joint Intelligence and Security Division and the cooperation across those eighty-five intelligence services from the thirty-two allies, um, could not have been better at a more important time.

So I think that's one thing I'd say.

I think the second thing I would say is, um, as came up in the panel last night, nations handle their intelligence in different ways.

Mm.