So does that mean we're jumping ahead a little bit? But like if you were to be working with someone, would you technically diagnose them with social phobia and then specify MPA, at least for you?

I think I would only need to do that if I was strict on an inclusion criteria for a study, which I have done in the past, where I wanted to make sure this person definitely has MPA.

I've used the SCID for that aim, and I've taught other interns to use the SCID so we can recruit people that we think are homogeneously similar like that.

But in that day-to-day practice, no, it's not so important.

And in fact, much of the work that I do, I believe, is replicable across different types of practitioners.

I've trained singing teachers and non-clinical professionals to do the kind of work that I do in using ACT coaching rather than ACT psychotherapy to treat performance anxiety.

And they're definitely not diagnosing people with a SCID or giving them social anxiety questionnaires and diagnosing them with social anxiety.

when

So let's begin at the beginning.

Sure.

So, um, i-imagine looking at a, a hexagon figure.

You know, it's got six sides here.

Imagine splitting that in half.

This is a visual, uh, a visual metaphor, if you will, for psychological flexibility.

You've got six ways that people can behave more psychologically flexible.

Yeah