So for you, what is at the root of these patterns?

Well, it is the operating system.

It is the beliefs, in part.

It is those beliefs that we form before we're aware we've ever done it.

I love the example of a little kid that sees a... a glowing hot burner and touches it and their whole world changes because they've discovered this hot burner and what happens when you touch it.

And the one thing your mind does immediately is it creates a rule around that event.

And it's not something you have to think about or plan.

Is that what you mean by it? No, it's

For those who may not know you and aren't familiar with your work, can you give our listeners a little bit of background on your journey and how you got here as an entrepreneur?

Gosh, how far back do you want me to go? I guess up until about 2008, I was COO of a small debt buying organization in Denver.

And at that point in my life, early 2008, I had reached a point where things were pretty good.

I enjoyed the job and the people and everything.

Things were really great that way, but I just felt like something was not quite what it needed to be.

I felt like there was something else I was supposed to be doing and something had been kind of pulling at me for a couple of years.

And so in 2008, I finally left that career and I actually left everything.

So how do people continually try to work on this and peel that onion back so that they can continue to evolve as a good leader?