And so you see that versus comparing it to the Apple side.

I do.

I do.

And that's really what's helped me grow personally and professionally is just the learning of this.

Learning every day.

I'm always learning something.

I started slow in the Apple ecosystem.

Do you plan to try to address that at all? Oh,

And so you see that versus comparing it to the Apple side.

I do.

I do.

And that's really what's helped me grow personally and professionally is just the learning of this.

Learning every day.

I'm always learning something.

I started slow in the Apple ecosystem.

Do you plan to try to address that at all? Oh,

How do you think that happens? What is it that you as a mentor are looking for in mentees? And how do you start to identify those in the rough, maybe those people who are going to really elevate before they even perhaps know it?

I mean, that's a tough question, and I'm not sure some of this is instinct or reflex.

I think for me, a lot of it was how motivated and driven and excited they were about science.

Randy is a spectacular example here.

He was really excited about particular projects he would work on and come to me with some excited idea that he wanted to pursue.

I remember one in particular, Randy will remember, we had early days of science.

knockouts.

Do you think mentorship has adapted, or do you think the principles have remained the same?

Anybody

...

I was doing some comparisons for, uh, for work, and boy, that, that XDR, as much as it's a nice, it's a nice, uh, monitor, I just...

The, the exorbitant cost of it is just...

It has to have some good justification of what type of, uh, um, what type is, of it, of its use is.

If it's just gonna be some standard person who's doing, uh, you know, just office work and not, not anything designing or anything like that, is, uh, it's just not...

I don't think it's w- worth adding the extreme difference in price.

Mm-hmm.

Dave, I'm almost afraid as to what you're gonna pull out.

(laughs) You probably already ...

You might not, you might not have this but, uh, I love RODE products.

RODE makes am- amazing products.

I use their ...

I've been using the, the, the RODECaster for years.

I got the RODECaster Duo, uh, uh, earlier this year.

Yeah.

... a laptop, regardless of which laptop it is.

100%.

Now, I guess it's, it really depends what ... i- if you're gonna ...

I- even, even with an 11-inch iPad, that, that's usually the one that a lot of enterprise goes with because, you know, cost, of course.

You gotta think about that.

If you're going with an iPad Pro m- um, M4, and even put 512 s- sal- uh, dr- gigabytes of drive space in there, uh, the price is up there.

I mean, and you, and you gotta ... you, you have to look at the return on the ownership with that.

Yeah.