We hear from those trying to change that, more about parenting in the age of AI, and a deep dive on why part-time Jackson Hole resident Yvonne Chouinard has turned heads with his decision to give away profits from his company, Patagonia.

Much as the giving, it was the not taking that made it such a remarkable story.

We pick up part of their conversation where Gellis is getting clues that Patagonia plans to give away its fortune.

My friends at Patagonia reach out to me and they say, hey, we've got a story that I think we want you to tell.

And I was like, well, what is it? And they said, we can't tell you yet.

So I would check in every month and I would call and I was like, hey, you mentioned this tantalizing story.

What is it? They're like, we still can't tell you.

And we played this game for about six months over the summer of 2022.