on fire

and then like you got the you know bill gillespie is still still still in the mix out there always there's there's a there's a couple of teams in there in the top 10 that are a little bit different right but i mean like triple h rooters and tutors these guys have been on top for for years right and i mean they've been they've been cooking a lot, right? These guys cook 30, 40 contests.

I don't know the exact numbers.

They cook a lot, a lot more than I do, right? But they've managed to still walk away and win enough to still come out on top, right? And they're the same names that we're hearing every weekend, right? And, you know...

I want to believe that those guys haven't changed their programs a lot over the years, right? And they're still cooking the same stuff, which to me says, okay, maybe I've deviated from where I've started from and I need to go back to my notes and maybe dumb stuff down a little bit because I've kind of gotten a little too fancy.

Or maybe I've substituted out something that's added a flavor that maybe is being uh that's splitting the table now right like maybe instead of you know winning those four judges i'm only winning three judges right and if i'm gonna win a table i need four of them to love it two of them can yeah can kind of not love it but i need all four of them and if i'm not if i'm only getting three then i'm doing something that's splitting splitting the table right and that's what i'm seeing in my scores and i i to be honest i don't i don't know um I know that it's not whatever I'm doing is not working outside of chicken, chicken.

They seem to like ribs either.

know, what led...

Is there any scenario where that doesn't, doesn't work?

Yeah.

So there is a catch to this.

That's a really good question.

Like I said, the great part about this as an idea is that it really compounds over time.

So the more you kind of give freely of your expertise and your knowledge and, and value, the more you build that reputation and the more it compounds over time.

The downside of this, and the, the issue with it, and I think why a lot of people don't do this, is that you have to be prepared that it might not move at the speed that you want.

Mm-hmm.

You've done a fair amount of work in the sort of healthcare space? What led you into that sort of intersection of technology, healthcare?

Yes, I mean, it's probably it is the longest collaboration I've had with like one or two individuals who I met during my PhD.

Andrea Williamson, who's still at Glasgow, in particular and essentially I was doing work looking at patterns of non-attendance in healthcare that kind of came off the back of very sort of cognitive psychological experiments looking at how people associate emotions with different days of the week and essentially I found that people miss more medical appointments at the start of the week than the end of the week in secondary care and that changes depending on what age you are so if you're in the working population that incline is more is larger, whereas if you're retired, the days of the week don't matter so much.

So you can imagine how you can then intervene with that and say, well, actually, why don't you move everyone who's over 65's appointments to earlier in the week? And so we did that in another study and showed that you could improve attendance.

But at that time, other colleagues at Glasgow in health were also really interested in non-attendance and people who are not turning up to medical appointments.

And I think it was probably like my second PhD supervisor who did a sort of intro and sort of sent an email and said, David's you know, Andrea, you should have a chat.

And so we had a chat.

that um feeds quite nice into my next question which is you've um you've published quite a lot around this idea of missing this in healthcare so do you talk about what the term means, the factors that influence it, and the approaches you've been taking with researching it.

Thank you.

So I've looked after myself well enough and I love myself well enough that I've taken the time to do the necessary preparation that I need to do to be as open as I can to open the field, to open the field where I bring with me, I bring the parties with me to help them make the best use of their mediation.

So I feel resourced, I feel well, I feel cared for.

And in that space, because I've been able to receive it, I'm more able to actually give it, if that makes sense.

And one of the things about mediation, and there's no right or wrong to this, I can only tell you in my experience, The more preparation we do with the parties for mediation, the more likely would we have of allaying our own fears.

I've reached a point recently in my mediation, the last five mediations I did, I actually gave each party, I had to kind of slap myself and what are you doing? This must be a business here.

I actually gave them three to five hours of time I didn't charge them for, for preparation.

can

Oh, I mean, I

I've learned so much, Alex, and I've, um, I've learned a lot about myself.

What I've learned about myself and what I've now convinced my publisher is they have to let me write what I want to write.

And I did write legal thrillers.

My first book, you could call a legal thriller because there was a murder trial with a huge surprise at the trial.

But the book that won the Edgar, I think what people responded to was, was the psychological drama.

I really don't think of that book as a legal thriller.

It's the better part that's really the different and the better part that I'm always striving to

Mm-hmm

... and then there's little tiny stones that lead up to them.

And Jim would say, "Why are those stones tiny? Don't make them tiny." Like, they may not be the single most significant thing in the book, but every scene should be really fun, whatever you have to do to make it fun.

Jim has a very pragmatic view.

He says, "I've got an audience.

I n- understand them.

I've made a deal with them.

Are you ever sitting in court listening to something play out and think, "This guy would make an interesting character?"

So

basically it's love.

I do I do write about places where I live or places where I work.

But my next book is definitely it's going to be called Concrete and Bricks.

And, you know, I grew up in Mount Vernon, you know, so now I wrote about places where I lived or worked.

Years later, you know, I'm 46 years old, I'm reflecting on my childhood now.

you know, and it's, it's been a big part of, you know, my life, you know, so it's, now I'm reflecting and going back on my childhood, you know, so basically, this is a haiku, jumping gates for fun, knocking on neighbors' doors and running, park was always packed into the early morning, you know, and that was my summer.

How did you find yourself in these spaces, particular spaces? What did that outreach look like?

Talk to me about the origins of the Te Akau Stud.

Well, in 1979, I applied for a Rural Bank loan to buy 500 acres, uh, in the Waimai Valley, which is, um, just the next valley north of Te Akau, and, uh, I bought this farm for $215,000.

And the bank manager that w- was with the Rural Bank was a chap called Glen Holmes, and Glen came out and, um, interviewed me, and on the way home, I thought to myself, "If this guy gets this loan for me for my first farm, I'll love him for the rest of my life." Well, he got the loan, and we've become great mates.

What was the tipping point, or what- Did one horse make you?

Uh, it was a number of, um, factors.

Um, I've had an early horse called, um, Distinctly Secret that I bred.

And, um, I owned myself at, in the early stages, and, uh, he would've won a million dollars in prize money in the, um, early '90s, um, late '90s.

So that was...

Well deserved.

Oh, thank you very much, Jamie.

It's an honour that I really received for the whole team that works with me.

people that have been with me for a lifetime and there's many parts to it.

There's my wife who is a very important part of the business and there's people like Mark Walker who has worked for me since the day he left school and many people like that.

that have helped make Te Akeau racing the success that it's been.

So it's certainly not just about me.

What was the tipping point or what did one horse make you?

Well deserved.

Oh, thank you very much, Jamie.

It's an honour that I've really received for the whole team that works with me.

people that have been with me for a lifetime, and there's many parts to it.

There's my wife, who is a very important part of the business, and there's people like Mark Walker, who has worked for me since the day he left school, and many people like that that have helped make Te Akeau racing the success that it's been.

So it's certainly not just about me.

It's about a great team that we have.

What was the tipping point, or what did one horse make you?

Sir David, how does this honour feel and what does it mean to you?

Well, it means a tremendous amount.

good morning uh it means a tremendous amount because there's so many people involved my wife who does an incredible job running the business looking after me and she's such a very important part of the business and has helped it go to the next level Then there's people like Mark Walker, who's worked for me since the day I left school over 30 years ago on the farm.

There's Luke Copeland, who's worked for me since the day I left school 26 years ago.

And then there's people like Sam Burgesson, Rhys Trumper, and Hunter Durant that run the racing stable.

So it's a team effort, and I feel like I've got this award for the whole team.

because I couldn't have done it without them.

How did it all start?

Sir David, how does this honour feel and what does it mean to you?

Well, it means a tremendous amount.

good morning uh it means a tremendous amount because there's so many people involved my wife who does an incredible job running the business looking after me and she's such a very important part of the business and has helped it go to the next level Then there's people like Mark Walker, who's worked for me since the day he left school over 30 years ago on the farm.

There's Luke Copeland, who's worked for me since the day he left school 26 years ago.

And then there's people like Sam Burgesson, Rhys Trumper, and Hunter Durant that run the racing stable.

So it's a team effort, and I feel like I've got this award for the whole team.

because I couldn't have done it without them.

How did it all start?