And it does seem like we're, as a society, as public servants or whatever you're doing, learning how to have those open disagreements and trying to figure it out together probably makes a lot more sense these days.

The other thing I just want to note is you change and people change.

You know, that's part of what these conversations are about.

I'm just, I was remembering, you know, I used to do a lot of work with the 18F and the presidential innovation fellows and got to this place where I had this like rubric that there were three archetype of piffs, presidential innovation fellows.

So one was the patriot, which was like, I'm never gonna be a Marine.

This is as close I'm gonna come to serving my country.

And the other was the careerist who was like, I didn't know what else to do with my life.

Is that an opening or is that a restart?