So just onto another question for you, David, do you think it's actually effective to for governments to keep on to continue testing and issuing recalls? Or is there actually something else that we need to do? Is there a different approach that we need to look at to prevent asbestos-containing products coming into our countries? Is there anything that you would suggest that you think might be more fail-safe?

I think it's an important part of your enforcement.

But when you ask me, it's actually the last step into enforcing your regulation.

So it starts with the companies.

So my advice also in the Dutch media was to importers or distributors or manufacturers of these products, I actually advised them, stop using minerals.

And especially minerals, which can contain asbestos naturally.

And this is all very well documented.

What are they doing about it? David, what's your view?