See, it's the deposit that's the hurdle, not necessarily the mortgage, isn't it?

Yeah, look, you've got to be able to pay for it.

So, you know, you shouldn't get all scared or people will not be able to afford, will be thrown out of their house, I think, because the bank still has to assess the affordability.

So can you pay it back? And so, you know, that guardrails there.

You know, like you say, Australia doesn't have a cap.

They actually have caps over there on the value of the property you can buy, whereas in New Zealand there's no cap on the value.

So, you know, different horses for different courses, but essentially they're similar and, you know, you could argue there's There's no need for a cap because you're assessing serviceability, the affordability as well.

Well, that can

Yep.

Um, but then you flip over to safety, and this is where it gets really interesting.

Tyson Flowers, he is a big leader for this team.

Um, great interview.

He understands what it takes to play football at this level, and I think the coaches have liked to use him a little bit as an example of, of what, you know, work ethic and whatnot looks like.

But he, he did not tackle well last year.

That, that is the fact.

It's been bad, yeah.

But i- it seems like it's the Ethan Grunkameier show, right?

It is, yes.

Uh, and, and, you know, it's funny, like, James Franklin told us a couple weeks ago that the players know who the starter is.

And it's like, okay, the players probably know that Ethan Grunkameier is the starter.

Um, just go back and look at some of his film from last year.

Uh, turn on that game against, uh, Indiana, where Penn State took the Hoosiers, the national champions, down to the wire, and he had a better QBR than Fernando Mendoza, the guy who went to the Las Vegas Raiders with the number one pick in the draft and won the Heisman and won the national championship.

Uh, Grunkameier in a lot of ways outdueled Mendoza in that game, but they, the Hoosiers snuck away on that final touchdown.

But those are all games that you would love to bank and have in the W column heading into that back half of the schedule.

got you all to

buy it.

First of all, you guys know how much Franklin values recruiting.

The value Mines brings as a recruiter, particularly in the Commonwealth, specifically in Richmond, is unmatched.

He tried to get Fontel Mines to Penn State.

I think...

This is a big time year for this room though.

That's really the one thing that stands out to me.

And I think part of the problem with Malat now is that whenever any unsolved murders come up, people say, it must be Ivan Malat.

Yeah, it's...

It's easy to put it on somebody who's now out of the picture, dying, can't speak for themselves.

We've since found out a fair bit more about Malat and about Merle's testimony in regards to Malat.

First of all, she said that there was a guy that was being called cowboy and quite a few years after Malat the events took place, she saw Malat on the television and said that he looked like the guy that was being called Cowboy.

But, you know, a lot of years had passed and the memories can get a bit fuzzy.

Now, it turns out that Cowboy was never one of Malat's nicknames.

So that was disappointing.

And those people from Keldebe that you mentioned, will get to experience that tomorrow and realise it's not quite as easy as it looks.

Definitely the juveniles will see and they will see the pace of the game and they will see all the different attributes of trying to get the wheelchair going, trying to stop or get near stop for the ball, trying to hit the ball while you're moving, trying to go.

We had the Galway senior team in and we had an All-Stars team in in Athenry and their eyes were opened as to how difficult the game was.

um for a person that thinks that they know all they know about hurling like the the um there was there was players there and they were just saying like that their admiration was extremely high for the players in the work on the on the wheelchair sport that it is difficult to get around it is difficult to do get there do it play the sport and it is very physical and you do get very very tired and you're just going to get the ball and the ball is gone like it is it is great

Now, I just briefly touched on, of course, there is an incentive for people to come in to see this tomorrow as well because everybody who shows up to Kingfisher to watch the wheelchair hurling will be entered into a draw.

They will, yes.

We'll have a station inside in the hall and there'll be a sheet there and we'll say that can be numbered.

You just put down your name, put down your phone number.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like something that would that would really kind of shift how we can view that original object.

I find that idea really interesting and I find some of the more organic kind of counter placements really effective.

I feel like the institutionalized versions of that often get read by publics who aren't necessarily like deeply reading the history of why this was placed here, et cetera, as kind of a both sides narrative where.

Yeah.

And I feel like that's especially poignant right now in the era of you were documenting what happened under Biden and what's happening under Trump's second administration must be different in kind in some ways, because, you know, the new mnemonic drama of having a president who clearly wants to abolish Juneteenth as a national holiday, for example.

So are you talking about spaces or are you talking about places?

Yeah.

So that's a great question.

I was actually, maybe embarrassingly now that you've called it out, I've been saying spaces because I thought it would sound more straightforward, but I really am referring to place in this case.

So you know, space, not necessarily these geographic sectors, but thinking about places having, you know, a deep cultural and social connotation associated with them.

And, you know, these places are the things that we kind of hash through and we interpret and we debate.

I've been, correctly, as you're saying, interested in places as holders of these histories and these legacies.

Okay.

Can you tell us about 1972 Australia, the Age of Aquarius, post-Vietnam, you know, the free, safe, sorta hippie counterculture? You know, can you just paint a bit of a picture so people understand why two young girls would've thought that was okay?

Well, Australia in 1972 was, was a, was, it was filled with this m- m- you know, media-fueled, happy-go-lucky counterculture that, that, it was, uh, it, you know, turn on, tune in, drop out, I think was the, the slogan.

And it, and everybody was just totally rejecting anything that was normal and just casting caution to the wind and just going for freedom and, and free love and, you know, just enjoyment.

And, uh, recreational drugs were, were being promoted pretty widely.

And, and, and with this, in regard to hitchhiking, it was something we'd always done.

The public transport w- was pretty nonexistent.

Um, and you know, we didn't have cellphones.

Tell me about July 1972 when the girls set off, when Anita and Robyn are on their way.