Hmm.

And even some of the Batman stuff, it was, uh, w- writer-artists on it.

Um, so I was like, "Oh, I can't draw to save my life.

I don't have the patience to learn this skill." And then I think, uh, you know, much later I would discover Brian Michael Bendis, and he was, like, my favorite comic book writer.

He wrote Ultimate Spider-Man, created Miles Morales, created Jessica Jones.

Um, wrote a handful of amazing Daredevil books.

And, uh, I was like, "Oh," he's like...

What is it about that creativity, um, or do you feel like it's, it's the same skill to, one, like, receive direction and, and kinda embody someone else's script and story versus, like, coming up with a story of your own and then conveying that to an artist?

Who? What was that name?

Jeffrey James Abrams.

I think he changed his name recently.

Not familiar.

Art house director.

Yeah, I auditioned for it.

I didn't get the part.

niche-y, or what was their reason?