Mm-hmm.

And people sort of say, "Well, why do you wanna lose your job?" And I say, "No.

By making myself redundant, don't worry, I'll have other things to do," but I've allowed those people to step up, and I don't need to be there micromanaging, watching them, having to do the job, continue to, to ma- if I've created that environment, people can step up and get the job done, have the, the ability to put their hands up when they get something wrong, not hide things.

It's so important.

Google did this research on their, on their own staff, and I think it was called The Project Aristotle, and you can Google it on Google.

And basically they're saying was they were looking at what makes their teams successful, and was it skill, was it salary, was it whatever? And what it came down to was fundamentally was what they call psychosocial safety.

In other words, the teams where people felt trusted.

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