Oh, God.

Right? And this was back in the mid-90s.

I got to see a black CEO in action.

The next person after that was a woman.

Her name was Diane McGarry.

And Xerox was very big on diversity and inclusion, but it wasn't to the point, I'm going to put you in here because we need more blacks.

It was the way how they kind of went about is we need an executive vice president.

The thing I love most about the work and how you approach it is I feel like a lot of people... miss out on the fact that a lot of what we're building especially black professionals are things that have to outlast us and so like how are you what maybe the question really is what responsibilities do you think come with building something institutions communities mentorship programs that, one, will outlast your tenure as the CBC president and will outlast you as a person, literally.