Mm-hmm.

My dad, uh, is a, uh, is a hard, I would g- I would describe him as an incredibly hard worker and as an entrepreneur.

You know, he has his, uh, his, his winery.

He has, uh, a business that sells, uh, kits, uh, wine-making kits and brewing kits, uh, to, uh, all sorts of different stores.

And so I grew up- With him always, uh, working at, uh, on, on something.

It was always something creative, and so I think I, uh, always wanted to do something creative, but then I always wanted to do something with plants.

You know, I think that plants kinda always, uh, were my thing, uh, so to speak.

So let's talk about COVID and how COVID has impacted the program at Surry and, and some of the events that you would typically host there and, um, travel to, the festivals and such as well.